Wise Women: Rise, Empower, Thrive with Suzy Kratzig

Jen (01:11)
Hello and welcome to When Not Yet Becomes Right Now. Today's guest is Suzy Kratzig, a certified professional coach and the creator of Wise Women, Rise and Power Thrive. Suzy spent much of her early life searching for meaning around the world from the Peace Corps in West Africa to international work abroad while feeling quietly disconnected from herself. After surviving the 2010 Haitian earthquake,

her healing journey reshaped everything. Today, Suzy helps women reconnect with their bodies, move through life transitions, and remember who they were before the world told them who to be. She believes healing happens in community and that we can always find our way home. Welcome, Suzy.

Suzy Kratzig (01:58)
Thank you for having me. It's nice to be here.

Jen (02:00)
Yes,

yes, I'm so glad that we were able to do this. We met through a mutual friend and I'm so glad that she connected us. So tell us, Suzy, what is your origin story?

Suzy Kratzig (02:10)
You too.

So that's a big question. For the work that I do now, really the earthquake, I would say, is kind of what launched me down this path. I've always been someone who has been a seeker, I would say, but I have carried a lot of self-doubt and fear that has held me back and gotten in my way.

When I was in Haiti and the earthquake happened, I stayed afterwards and there was this pivotal moment where I had the choice to return to the United States ⁓ or stay in Haiti and continue working in humanitarian response and be an emergency worker and travel the world.

Professionally, I would have made a lot more money probably at that period in my life. It would have been kind of exciting in an interesting way, but internally, I knew that I wasn't okay. I had a certain level of self-awareness that...

it became very clear that I just in my body, was not myself. And so I came home to heal and shortly after I came back, did get a PTSD diagnosis. And really the process of healing PTSD is where I recognized that the quake, didn't just quake open the earth, it kind of like quaked me open as well. And in that healing process, it revealed

many other things from my past that I hadn't grappled with and hadn't healed. just growing up my relationship with my body and my relationship with self-confidence. so being on that healing journey, I really dove into mind-body connection. I did a lot of different modalities and I did therapy. did EMDR therapy for the earthquake in particular. did integrative breath work.

I started practicing yoga and I'd always been somebody who did yoga, but like I really intensely started to practice it. And I ended up becoming a facilitator of a program called Timbo, which stands for trauma informed mind body. And that program launched me on this pathway that eventually led to where I am now because

It's a program for women to heal from chronic stress and trauma. And it really showed me the power of healing in groups, the power of connecting into the body as part of that. And that has really informed so much of the work that I do with women today.

Jen (05:24)
Wow, I definitely want to hear more about Timbo. And I just want to go back to that imagery that you gave that the earthquake quaked you open, in a sense.

Suzy Kratzig (05:38)
Yeah, I mean, you know, it's kind of funny going through an earthquake is a very weird thing to experience and ⁓

I would say it shook me. There's so many metaphors to use. It shook me to my core and to my foundations because really nowhere felt safe. Like being on planet Earth just didn't feel safe. And I remember being in a yoga class at Crippella Yoga Center in Western Mass. They offered a week of a free week for humanitarian relief workers for Haiti. And I got to go and the woman, I was lying in Shavasana and the woman

leading the class and now sink into the earth. Feel mother earth supporting you and inside I was cursing at this woman. How could you tell me to sink into the earth? The earth is not safe. What are you talking about? And ⁓ I'm getting round, circling round to your question about it, quaking me open, but I had to go through a process of, of healing that first through the integrative breath work.

And in that process, I had these images come to my mind of our planet and of the ebb and the flow and the cracks. Because after the earthquake, I literally remember driving down the street in Haiti and seeing actual physical cracks in the earth, like massive gaping holes.

On the one hand, that experience, one could look at it and say that, it's broken. The earth is broken. And that's how I felt lying on that floor, that the earth was broken and that I was broken. But when I did this integrative breathwork experience,

I had this image of how everything ebbs and flows, how the water on the earth goes in and out with the tides, how, and I had this image of the earth breathing, expanding and contracting. And of course things are gonna crack and things are gonna open up because that's just the natural course of our experience. And

So for me, of course, the earthquake cracked me open and revealed my past to me and revealed myself to me in a new way, revealed to me different things that I could choose to either cover back up and never look at or bring out and examine and decide, okay, what do I do with this? And I chose the latter and it really

served me and I would not be where I am today if I hadn't dove into the work of doing that.

Jen (08:47)
Yeah, I've had the chance to also go to Kripalu and we're in the same area. So it works for us. But it's interesting when you go into a kind of sacred space like that and open yourself up to that space and allowing the people who are there to move us through parts of our lives in a sense.

I remember I was there and I decided to do a chakras class. And as we're opening our chakras, my heart chakra came open and I started crying so hard that they had to get rid of everybody out of the room and help me close my heart chakra. And that powerful work is something that...

sometimes you don't expect but should be expected, I guess? What do you think?

Suzy Kratzig (09:48)
Yeah, I mean, I think it's, it's hard to expect something you haven't experienced yet. Right. And I mean, we can, I I've had this experience recently where logically I've heard this, you know, one particular message over and over and over over and over again. But I just, it's like, theoretically I get it, but actually bringing it into the body is a totally different experience. And I love that you got opened up.

right? Because it sounds like it was such a huge release. And I think sometimes it takes leaving our comfort zone and being in

Jen (10:18)
Yeah.

Suzy Kratzig (10:33)
I mean, I would like to say a holy space, whether you're religious or not, you know, just being in this space of ⁓ opening to be able to allow for that, right? And I think too, when I think back to that woman, for example, like internally on the mat, was cursing at this woman, but sometimes the things that trigger us the most are the arrows that point the way forward.

Right? Like that's one of the things that I've learned through doing this work now for such a long time is that when I have a super strong reaction to something, that is where the healing is needed. And that's pointing the direction. All right, run towards it. And I used to never run by the way. was like, I've like much of my life, I'm like, let me like stick one toe in, let me.

Let me half-ass this and see if I can get there. And now I'm embracing the running because why would I wait? Why would I wait to resolve something?

Jen (11:43)
Yeah, and you know as we're talking, the word trust comes to mind that we trusted that sacred space.

Suzy Kratzig (11:52)
Yes, yes. And I think trust ourselves to be able to handle it and trust our bodies to know what to do. Right? I think that's a big part of it. And that's also the scary part too. Like just because we trust doesn't mean it's not scary, right? Like it can still feel terrifying to go there.

Jen (12:04)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Right.

Trust is such an issue for me on both ends of trusting others and trusting myself. And I think that's a major trauma response. You know, I've spoken about intuition with women before and not being able to trust my intuition because it didn't help me when I was a child. There was no, you know, there was no knowledge of when something was going to happen, something bad was going to happen. So I learned to push my intuition aside.

Suzy Kratzig (12:19)
Mm-hmm.

Yes.

Jen (12:43)
and just stay in that fight or flight feeling.

Suzy Kratzig (12:47)
Yeah, well, I think that's completely normal. Like one of the things that I work on with women in the Wise Women course that I have is, you know, we have this rational brain within and it's where our logic and our data and our problem solving happens. And it's very much like the brainy brain part of ourselves. And then we have the emotional brain, which is like the impulsive reaction. It's, you know, the drama lives all there.

And the intersection, the wise mind is really where the intuition lives. And if you are constantly in the reactionary part of yourself, then it makes it almost impossible to access that wise mind self where your intuition lives and children, you know, they don't even have a prefrontal cortex yet. So they don't even really have the capacity yet to do that.

Quite literally physically. So Yeah, it's I mean it's understandable to develop our habits from such a young age that it's gonna be hard to trust ourselves and that's That's totally what wise women is all about. It's helping women Learn the skills to be able to trust themselves again and it is a skill I think it's a skill that has to be practiced. It's not just a thing that you

do one day, you know, it's like we have to do it every day.

Jen (14:18)
Absolutely.

Yes. So let's get into when you got into Timbo.

Suzy Kratzig (14:26)
Yeah, so I met the creator of Timbo at that Kripalu yoga retreat, and she hadn't created it yet. But I, you know, that's where I connected to her. started to attend some of her yoga classes, and then she launched Timbo and I joined and started becoming, getting trained to become a facilitator. And I finished all of that process back in 2015. And

It was such a powerful program. It still is, and it still exists, although there aren't as many folks who do it. It's really not that well known. And

what it showed me is what's possible, as I said before, what is possible with when women get together to do this work, to do this healing work. ⁓ And it was a piece of my journey. I would say the other piece was doing the integrative breath work. And then another kind of big realization or aha that I had is just the sacred power of witnessing and being witnessed. And this is why I love working in groups.

so much. I one on one as well, but there were a number of people on my own healing journey ⁓ from PTSD who really held that position of being the witness. And I think when we have something big to heal,

It is very difficult to be our own witness in those moments. And that's the goal, right? To get to a place where you are the participant and observer of your life, where you are able to serve as a sacred witness to your own becoming. And when you are cracked open with everything spilling out from having been through a trauma,

we need other people to step in and serve in that role of witness, non-judgmental witness. And I had so many healing witnesses on my journey and working in a group, then you get a whole group of people witnessing, which is magical in and of itself. And Timbo showed me that power. And I still, you know, I co-facilitated a Timbo group.

Timbo is typically co-facilitated with somebody else. And I did co-facilitate a Timbo group about a year and a half ago. That was pretty great. And then I kind of learned some additional modalities and other healing practices and frameworks and that feel like next level for me. And that's, can draw on both everything I learned from Timbo, but also the energy leadership framework for the course that I created. So.

It draws from so much of what I learned, but it is something new and different. Yeah.

Jen (17:30)
I love this idea of witnessing, especially for yourself. That really brings up a lot for me because as you said, lot of women, I think this is what you said, please tell me if I'm wrong, a lot of women witness others in their lives and very rarely look in upon themselves to witness for themselves.

Suzy Kratzig (17:53)
Yeah, I mean, I think witnessing for yourself is a skill, right? Because you kind of have to be able to access that wise mind space. It's very difficult to to be a participant observer of oneself. And I mean, I would say like in the energy leadership framework that I also use a lot in my work, we would call that level seven energy and no one lives there all the time. It's just impossible. I mean, probably the Dalai Lama gets close.

But like really no one can live there, but we can go there. We can learn how to go there more frequently. ⁓ And it's a skill that we can practice. The more that we practice using it, the more that we build our toolbox to be able to access that space, the easier it gets. ⁓ I think what you said though is so true that

women witness for other people so often. And also, I think it's not so, it's not always so ⁓ straightforward. I think women often witness, but there's some, there's often like a little bit of judgment that comes along. And so it's really difficult. And that's also what gets in the way of our own witnessing, right? Because when we,

bring judgment in the car with us, we can't really be a true participant observer. And so finding witnesses to come into our lives who are able to withhold judgment and truly be present without judgment for our healing, that's where healing becomes possible in my view.

Jen (19:44)
That's beautiful. And yeah, it's really hard to keep that judgment out. I learned it so young that people are judging me and I guess that kind of just fell upon me to start judging. And especially myself. It's really hard to get out of that judgmental mindset.

Suzy Kratzig (19:59)
Yeah.

Yes, I mean, that is our self-protection mechanism, right? Like that's what keeps us safe because we have to judge to live in this everyday world, you know, from the stone ages of let me look at this fruit and decide, it poisonous and going to kill me or is it going to nourish my body? Like we, our whole lives are built around making different judgments. So of course it's going to be very difficult not to.

judge in our everyday lives and impossible, right? Like we're gonna do it. And also we can get better at noticing when we're doing it and then holding back and not necessarily allowing it to influence the choices that we make moving forward. But as a kid, you can't do that. I think when I think about that, it helps me have so much more compassion, right? Because a kid is just doing what it's

Jen (20:37)
Yeah.

Suzy Kratzig (21:02)
When we were little, just did what we thought would help us the best. And that was making different judgments based on the situations that we were in. so there's no way that we could not do that. And so we can love ourselves and love all the effort that we made to keep ourselves safe, right?

Jen (21:24)
Yeah, and with women witnessing, feel as though that we just automatically fall into that role because we're witnessing our parents maybe, and we're witnessing our brothers and sisters or cousins, family members. And then when you become a mother, you're constantly witnessing for your children.

Suzy Kratzig (21:45)
Yes. Yes.

Jen (21:48)
So it's so easy to fall into being the witness without witnessing for yourself.

Suzy Kratzig (21:55)
Yes, yes. I totally agree with that. And I do also think, you know, when you're talking about trauma response, a lot of people talk about fight, flight and freeze. And there is a fourth one that now is sort of entering the lexicon, which is fawning. I think so many women do that. We fawn, we people please. We're going to take care of everybody else before we take care of ourselves. And part of that means being present for other people in our lives.

Jen (22:13)
Yes.

yeah.

Suzy Kratzig (22:24)
as the default before we're present. And yet, you know, every time we get on an airplane, we're reminded to put the mask on yourself, but nobody does it. You know, we don't often do it because of these ingrained habits of keeping ourselves safe through the witnessing and supporting and people pleasing of others.

Jen (22:48)
Yeah, fawning when I learned that that was such a thing, it was probably two, three years ago that I learned about it. So it is pretty new to people, I would say, because you always hear fight or flight. But fawning when you have an abuser is the very first thing that you learn as a child to make that abuser feel as though you are.

absolutely in love with them and you will do whatever it takes for them to be happy.

Suzy Kratzig (23:21)
Yeah, I mean, because it keeps you safe to do that, right? mean, unfortunately, it doesn't really always work. And I think so often it's when you're a kid, it's like, well, if I do this, then it's not going to be as bad as if I do the alternative, which would be to fight or to freeze. And so it's so complicated. It's just such a complicated.

Jen (23:44)
Yes. Yes.

Suzy Kratzig (23:51)
challenge and that's I mean we do that we do what we can to survive.

Jen (23:59)
Yeah. So tell me about wise women.

Suzy Kratzig (24:02)
Oh, thank you for asking. Well, I will tell you, I'm super psyched because I just started an in-person wise women and this has been a goal is to do it in person. And we just had our first session on Sunday night, which by the way, I know this is probably going to come out later, but Sunday night was January 18th. And I'm not totally woo woo, but every once in a while I hear something and I just like to let, to open my.

Jen (24:03)
Yes, I'm excited to hear about it.

Suzy Kratzig (24:31)
self to the possibility of allowing a little bit of mystical, magical energy in, and January 18th, the first night of our session, like the first session of this group that I'm running right now, was also the new moon, which is all about fresh starts and new beginnings. So, So, Wise Women, it is a nine week program and it,

Jen (24:48)
Ooh, yes.

Yes, I love that!

Suzy Kratzig (25:01)
is designed for women or people who identify as women or people who are socialized as women. know, I mean, they may not identify as a woman anymore, but if you grow up as a child in our society and you're socialized as a woman, then come on in because a lot of the way that women respond to trauma and stress as a child is part of what we're socialized to do. So that can show up no matter how somebody identifies right now. And

So this group is ⁓ nine weeks of helping women actually practice the skills of interrupting the stress response in the moment.

and connecting into the body. I think a lot of us live from the neck up because that's where we all live this. Yeah, we're in our heads. We feel like we can problem solve everything. And the neck down, especially for women who have ⁓ experienced sexual assault or abuse or something like that, it can feel very unsafe. ⁓

Jen (25:50)
We're in our heads, right?

Suzy Kratzig (26:12)
For me growing up, I went through a lot around body shaming. And that, so for me, below the neck was not safe. It just made me feel terrible. So I avoided as much of it as possible. I was gonna be the smart girl and focus on the head. And what I've learned is that it just doesn't work over the long haul because then I'm completely disconnected from...

such amazing, wonderful resource that I have in my body. And so the skills that we practice in the course are helping women reconnect into the body through learning about that stress response and the patterns that we develop in response to stress and then practicing the skills of interrupting it in the moment and bringing in pause and space to shift.

the energy and make different choices that serve us better. And also, I think a big part of the course too is just about learning how to not take everything so seriously all the time. We are experimenting, right? So we can fail. I mean, there's really no such thing as failure if you think about it. We just have the opportunity to learn and decide, did that work for me or did it not work for me?

And if it didn't work for me, then let me try something different. So there's a lot of that mindset and that kind of thinking behind the course as well.

Jen (27:49)
That's great because I know a lot of times, myself included, that we can say, this isn't working so early on and not giving anything a real chance. It's supposed to be like people live now on our phones. You get it right away or it's not worth it, right?

Suzy Kratzig (28:09)
Yeah, that's true. That's true. And there's a fine line, right? It's hard to even acknowledge if something works or not.

If we're not tuned into our bodies and our intuition and our calm confidence, it's really difficult to evaluate what we do. And so part of the skill is deepening that awareness so that we can actually, mean, I know, you know, ideally we're removing judgment from our lives, but that's impossible. It's how are we judging?

Like what are we bringing into a judgment? Is our judgment just a part of the reaction or is it a calm, confident, intuitive, measured judgment? And I think that's where it can get confusing too because sometimes when we're in our problem solving brain, we think it's a calm, measured, data-driven, logic-driven, but then it's missing the connection to the body. And emotionally, it might not serve us in the long run.

And so we have to be able to access both and then create choices from that space where we are able to see the bigger picture.

Jen (29:25)
I'm fascinated by the work because yes, it's very difficult for me to sit in my body. I am that person. reason we were recently talking about how I create so much content and it's because I don't want to sit in my body and sit in my feelings that I just immediately get up and do something. And I've had to learn to step back and be like, this too shall pass.

Suzy Kratzig (29:47)
Yeah.

Jen (29:51)
this feeling, and you're allowed to feel it throughout your entire body. It's not just a head thing. It is a full body experience, and that's okay.

Suzy Kratzig (30:03)
Yeah, and I love what you're saying. This will pass. This is a feeling. This is a whole body experience and it's okay. I mean, the it's okay is bringing the self-compassion in. And I think too,

you know, the more that we practice

being in uncomfortable experiences, like discomfort in our body without resisting it, the quicker they pass. Like I think so often when we're resisting is when we have a hard time, like when it starts to become a problem over time, right? Like the energy leadership framework that...

is built into the course, there's seven energy levels and levels one and two are really kind of our fight or flight response. And then as you get higher towards, know, Dalai Lama level seven, people make this assumption that, my God, like I need to be up in the higher levels. Like I gotta get rid of level one and two, but level one and two also have a purpose.

Jen (31:14)
Of course.

Suzy Kratzig (31:15)
And

so does level three. And part of the human experience is experiencing all of it. And sometimes, you know, we want to be in level one. Like if you lose the love of your life.

it might feel deeply sad to be in level one energy and

If we resist it, that's when it's more uncomfortable. Whereas if you dive into it and you're able to be fully in it and you just swim in it and live there until it passes, there can be, there's a song, beauty in the breakdown. Like there can be a level of like beauty in being able to honor.

the experience of true grief. And by the way, I say this and I've grieved, but I really, mean, people can tell me if I'm off base here, but this is in general level one and level two, that's the way I see it. Like we're sometimes we are meant to be there, but it's gonna feel different when we go there willingly by choice as a means of honoring our human experience versus being dragged there because

you know, and trying to get out of it as quick as possible, right? Like when you're like, my God, I gotta go create some content because I don't wanna sit with this. Then you're gonna get dragged back there more frequently, right? Because it's like the body is not gonna let up. It's gonna keep going. Yeah. And also it's normal to wanna exit it. So that's also totally part of our human experience to not wanna be there, right?

Jen (32:55)
No.

Yeah. So...

Well, difficult emotions are exactly that, difficult. You don't want to deal with them. You don't want to feel them. They feel yucky.

Suzy Kratzig (33:09)
Yeah

Exactly.

Jen (33:16)
So you work with groups of women. Do you work one-on-one with women as well?

Suzy Kratzig (33:20)
I do. I do also work one on one.

Jen (33:24)
What is that experience like?

Suzy Kratzig (33:26)
the one-on-one experience. I mean, for me, it's great.

I love working one-on-one for a different reason. You just really get to dive in and be present fully with one person. And I think...

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one-on-one.

I'm very aware that I am the witness for that person. so, and that I just, it's like such an honor to be able to hold that position for my one-on-one clients and to be able to support them through whatever they are trying to do in their lives. And I mean, sometimes it's very like lifey life stuff. It's not always, you know, healing something.

horrendous that happened. mean, sometimes it's that, but a lot, sometimes it's just, you know, like something related to work that people want to work through. And I get to witness that. And I think one of the things that's cool about one-on-one is that people

how we show up in our day-to-day lives, like the little bitty things that don't seem like a big deal, are often the way to get in to the deeper things. Because it doesn't feel so weighty, right? Like if we're talking about a work relationship and we're working on a work relationship, that's much easier than working on a relationship with a parent. But a lot of the same dynamics

Jen (35:10)
Yeah.

Suzy Kratzig (35:14)
show up in the relationship at work. And so when you're working through that with somebody, what I love the most is when there are these aha moments of, my God, this is a pattern that I'm very familiar with. And it relates back to my relationship with my mother, for example. And then the way in feels less risky.

Jen (35:18)
very interesting.

Suzy Kratzig (35:43)
but we still get to go there, right? So that's kind of a cool thing about doing one-on-one work. And that happens in the big group too, but there's not as much time to go into the nitty gritty details of every individual relationship that everybody has in the group and their lives, so.

Jen (35:59)
I can see that. So you just started your first in-person. That's so exciting. What was the first in-person experience like for you?

Suzy Kratzig (36:09)
It was a lot of fun. was, I mean, I, of course, I am always learning and evaluating my own work. So I have things that I want to shift and change the next first session that I do. ⁓ But in general, it was just so cool. I, we all were sitting in a circle and I built in some lightheartedness. ⁓

We did like a little session of laughter yoga, which was just ⁓ a lot of fun. And kind of a very vulnerable, but lighthearted way to build connection. And I'm really looking forward to it. I feel like it's going be an amazing group and the women are really invested and hopeful and yeah.

Jen (36:40)
That sounds awesome.

When you're speaking with a woman who's interested in joining the group, how do you describe it to them?

Suzy Kratzig (37:09)
I would describe wise women as a place to connect to your inner wise woman, your highest self while being in community. And it's really a place to learn how you show up, right? Like a lot of it is how do I show up in my life? How do I show up in my life when I'm at my best? And how do I show up in my life when I'm under stress? And how can I

create shifts? How can I let go of what no longer serves me and begin to embrace new possibilities and embrace my own power? And I think one of the biggest key messages, which actually is a big Timbo message that I'm bringing into the Wise Women group, so I can't totally claim credit for this, but is that we are all already whole.

I think sometimes women enter this group and they think that they're broken or that they need to be fixed in some way. And that's not true. Nobody needs to be fixed. There's nothing to fix. We are all human. We are all whole human beings. Sometimes the goal is to see ourselves that way and to practice

Jen (38:22)
Yeah.

Suzy Kratzig (38:38)
being in the power of who we already are. And so, Wise Women is an experience to practice seeing yourself and being in the power of you as you already are without all the little hangups that get in the way so often.

Jen (39:01)
Well, that sounds wonderful. It sounds like an incredible experience.

Suzy Kratzig (39:03)
Well, thank you.

Well, you and whoever else would like to join, just reach out. I'd love to have you. I also offer it online, huh?

Jen (39:12)
And how can we do that? Yeah,

how can we do that? How do we get in touch with you? Where can we find you?

Suzy Kratzig (39:20)
So you can find me on LinkedIn at Suzanne Kratzig, S-U-Z-A-N-N-E K-R-A-T-Z-I-G. I'm also on Instagram at Suzanne Kratzig. And then I have a website, is turtlfire.life. Turtlfire.life, not dot com. If you go there, that's not gonna work, but dot life.

Jen (39:44)
Wonderful. ⁓ well, thank you so much for sharing, Suzy. This has been amazing.

Suzy Kratzig (39:45)
Thank you.

Thank you for having me.

And I also just want to say that I'd like to, on your behalf, do a plug for you. We got my Moody Monster for my daughter for Christmas, and she loves her Moody Monster. And we went to Mexico City to visit family, and she could only pick two stuffies, and she brought Moody Monster with her. So thank you so much for what you've been putting into the world.

Jen (39:59)
Who's gonna ask you?

Suzy Kratzig (40:17)
It's been wonderful to watch my daughter use Moody Monster and ⁓ yeah, it's been great.

Jen (40:27)
I'm so glad. Yeah, I was going to ask you how Moody was fitting into the family. I'm so glad that he's been helpful.

Suzy Kratzig (40:34)
Yeah, I will say that I think my daughter loves Moody so much that she doesn't necessarily want to beat him up. So I'm kind of like, OK, let's, you know, we can practice this. We can practice thinking about, you know, we can still go to Moody. Like, Moody is there to help you with your emotions. So.

Jen (40:41)
Yeah, I can see that. Yeah.

Right? That's

why Moody was created to help you get out all those frustrations.

Suzy Kratzig (40:58)
Exactly. So it's

been fun. Thank you. Moody is darn cute, by the way. ⁓

Jen (41:02)
Great, thank you so much. thanks. Yeah,

I think he's pretty cute. Well, thank you again, and this has been a wonderful conversation.

Suzy Kratzig (41:13)
thank you so much, Jen. It's been a pleasure. I really appreciate you inviting me on.

Jen (41:19)
and I appreciate you coming on.

Suzy Kratzig (41:22)
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Thank you for joining us for this episode of the podcast. This show is produced by Phoenix Freed LLC, and I'm your producer, Jen Ginty. We hope you found today's conversation insightful and inspiring. If you have a story of your own about when a not yet moment became right now, we encourage you to reach out and share it. You can find more information about being a guest on our show at whennotyetbecomesrightnow.com. Remember, you are not alone on your journey.

whether it's a journey of healing, growth, or transformation. Every story matters. Thank you for listening, and we'll catch you next time with another inspiring episode.