The Sound of Innovation with Michael Leung

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Welcome to When Not Yet Becomes Right Now, the podcast where we dive deep into the moments of transformation, the times when not yet shifts into right now and everything changes. I'm your host, Jen Ginty and this podcast is all about those pivotal moments in our life journeys. You know the ones, when the hesitation fades, when we take that first step, even if it feels like a leap. It's in these moments that growth and healing begins. Each episode will explore stories of resilience,

moments of clarity, and the sparks that ignite real change. From personal experiences to expert insights, we'll uncover how people navigate the complex journey we call life and come out stronger on the other side. Whether you're searching for that spark in your own life or just curious about how change unfolds for others, you're in the right place. We'll discuss the ups and downs, the breakthroughs and setbacks, and how to embrace the right now, even when it feels out of reach. Because sometimes,

The hardest part of the journey is realizing that the moment you've been waiting for has already arrived. So take a deep breath, settle in, and let's get started.

Jen (01:09)
Hello and welcome to When Not Yet Becomes Right Now. I'm your host Jen Ginty and I have an amazing guest today. His name is Michael Leung, founder of the Flow Group in Calgary, where he's redefining how we experience sound. His company offers an inclusive, affordable alternative to hearing aids using open ear bone conduction technology with a built-in amplifier.

Helping people with hearing loss communicate confidently and without stigma. This mission is deeply personal because Michael lives with retinitis pigmentosa and has overcome childhood trauma, PTSD, ADHD, addiction, and near bankruptcy, experiences that have fueled his passion for accessibility, especially in underserved communities. He's been featured on several podcasts and recently wrapping filming for Legacy Makers.

Michael Leung (01:36)
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Jen (02:02)
a new TV series premiering in summer 2025, highlighting entrepreneurs making global impact through adversity. Welcome Michael.

Michael Leung (02:12)
Hi, hello. Thanks for having me.

Jen (02:14)
Yes, thanks for being on the show. Let's get into it. What is your origin story?

Michael Leung (02:17)
Thank you.

okay yeah. So I ⁓ immigrated to Canada with my family when I was six. ⁓ You know, we were trying to avoid the whole communism, whole China communist taking over. And I came here, barely spoke English. over the years, ⁓ I think my happiest times was during my elementary and junior high days. But my...

My friends treated me with lot of respect. I looked different, acted different, dressed different. But I didn't have the bullying. Nobody would get bullied back in the days when people were worried about that for their kids now. a lot of my trauma happened when my mom passed away of cancer when I was 12. that still carries me till today. And she's obviously one of reasons why I also want to do this to make her proud.

because of all the years of mayhem I've caused and all the issues I've caused my family to worry about me all the time. I put off a lot of things based on past mistakes, past failures, had many of those over and over again and it made me scared to take the risk again. because this is something so

vast and so broad that can help so many people and because I also struggle with a disability I felt that the impact of this is so strong that everyone should know about this and everyone should have the opportunity to try this. after many many testing and ⁓ hundreds of thousands of seniors and people always just trying this product ⁓ it's overwhelmingly positive.

And now I have a second product prototype coming out in two months, which is so advanced and so more advanced than the first prototype that it's made people so excited they want to pre-order it already.

Jen (04:28)
So tell me bit more about ⁓ your background. You live with retinitis pigmentosa, and you've also said that you've overcome quite a bit of trauma and diagnoses.

Michael Leung (04:40)
Yeah, the PTSD is from the... I ran away when I was like 13. Me and my dad didn't really see eye to eye. He was more the sergeant of the house, never loving... Not like the loving that my mom gave me, not like hugging, kissing, right? Asian families are more... They don't show as much ⁓ touch.

But my mom did, my mom did. So she walked me to school. She was very worried about me. She walked me to school, wait till grade six, you know? And when she passed, was like my part of me died with her, right? Like I wanted to jump into like, you know, where she's, you know, when they're burying her. was like, I was trying to, you know, that was my mom, right? So ⁓ she died horribly, you know, like she lost her hair. She's like, she lost so much weight. She didn't recognize me at the end.

And it was close to Mother's Day too, right? So it's like always been very traumatic for me. I never got over it for the longest time. So I ⁓ solace in friends. Like friends are also, you know, kind of going through similar pain and we all group together and it became, you know, just disaster because, you know, you take the risk, you're like, don't care anymore. I became a straight A student and then suddenly everything triggered me. get fights all the time.

I got kicked out of school all the time. I would take shortcuts, cheat on tests, stuff I never used to do. And suddenly I just became this rebellious kid. And the moment my dad tried to get a hold of it, it was too late because he couldn't control me anymore. And I just went from zero to 100. Never swore, and then all of sudden just swearing all the time. Died my hair yellow, earrings. So my family...

It was almost close to the point where they had to disown me. my mom told my dad on her deathbed that take care of the kids, don't give up on them, make sure you take care of them. But his way of teaching the kids was not the same as hers. I think he was going through his own problems because he lost his wife. So he had to take care of the bills. He had to do everything now. So then I think he was so...

He had no time to really talk to us and sit there and be, you know, so my sister moved away. She's four years older than me. She's a teacher. So then I was left by myself with him. So then we just butt heads all the time. ⁓ So the PTSD is very severe. Even till this day, we haven't really patched things up. it's kind of, it's tough. He doesn't, he's not the congratulations, know, good work kind of dad, you know, even.

until all my accomplishments now, I call him and like, hey, and he's still like, he's like, oh, nice, you so it is what it is. I have to learn to let go, you know, forgive, you know, but deep, deep inside, I'm still really sad that I wish I had parents that my other friends, my friends have, right? And I feel very disconnected with my family. Now it's better, my sister and I have a good relationship, but...

Jen (07:32)
Mm-hmm.

Michael Leung (07:57)
And then obviously through the years of bad friendships it just became a part of your life. I drinking all the time. Drinking to the point where I spent all my credit card money and then I was falling behind on mortgage payments and car payments and all I cared about was just having fun. To the point where life didn't really matter until I was almost getting served papers and I started to get scared and have to borrow money.

A lot of it was trusting the wrong friends and just investing my money with the wrong friends. And a lot of their ideas never panned through. So I had all these people owing me money and I need the money and I'm just stuck. So I started drinking, drinking heavily and it was almost to my rock bottom until I met my ex-girlfriend at 12 years and she really lifted me up.

Jen (08:50)
I understand that feeling of not being supported by a parent. My childhood, had, my father was my abuser. My mother, I don't blame her, but she just kind of left us.

She went off and started working and wouldn't ⁓ be involved with us and we'd be left alone with our abuser. So I understand that. And then also she comes from a generation, I mean, I'm much older than you, but she comes from a generation of, if you're not doing a nine to five job, you're not working, you're not successful. So I understand that idea that your father had that you weren't, right now,

you're not working that nine to five and making money by working for someone else. know, entrepreneurism is so different and not understood by older generations. So I get that. Yeah, yeah, it's hard. Even with my product, I'll talk to her about it and she won't give me any real like.

Michael Leung (09:54)
Great, that's true. That's true.

Mm-hmm. ⁓

Jen (10:04)
or any congratulations.

So I totally get that. And it's hard. It's hard to live without that support from parent figure, especially after losing, you know, a parent who gave you so much love and attention.

Michael Leung (10:08)
Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, I think I was just stuck to learn a lot of things on my own at a young age. So was pretty much on the streets and like street smarts. I had to gain it out of my own, you know, had to fend for myself. That's why I into fights and stole things at the time. you know, it was a tough part in my life. I would never change it because it made me who I am today. But, you know, I just wish we had a closer...

relationship with my dad because I listen to songs here and there. recently I listened to Monsters by Jase Blunt. I'm a big singer, know. I sang this song, sent it to my dad and he didn't grasp the meaning of it so he thought I called him a monster. Which was, know, I'm like no this song it's about the father and son and basically the dad is sick right Jase Blunt's dad's sick and he's saying don't worry I'll chase the monsters away.

You can go to bed now. So I don't think he heard the lyrics. Chinese families, they just hear the name of the title. And he's like, you call me a monster. like, ⁓ I was actually trying to make peace with them. And then it turned sideways. And I was actually crying when I was singing the song, too. It's something I would never do. And it just went sideways. And I told my sister. My sister was like, my goodness. And then I told him afterwards how I felt. And he kind of got it a little bit. He's like, OK, I'm sorry.

Jen (11:36)
Mm.

Michael Leung (11:46)
But then older generations have their way of saying things. Even if they apologize, they're like, you want me to say sorry? Fine. I'm say, sorry, what do want me to do? And I was like, well, that's not really sincere.

Jen (11:59)
I actually had a very similar situation about a song. I sent a song to my father who was my abuser daughter by Pearl Jam, which basically says, don't call me daughter. You know, you're not fit to. And it's about ⁓ parents who abuse their child. And his response to it was, ⁓ my daughter sent me a lovely song. Not listening, not understanding that I was saying no.

Michael Leung (12:10)
⁓ okay. Yeah, I the song, yeah.

Jen (12:28)
don't consider me your child. So yeah, I think the generations are very, different in understanding music. I think their music was more superficial, I would have to say. So it's hard for them to truly understand, right?

Michael Leung (12:32)
Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

Yeah.

What nationality are you? What nationality?

Jen (12:50)
⁓

I'm ⁓ American, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But there's so many different ways that people, you know, in so many different cultures that things can get so mistaken between generations. So I totally get it. So tell me about your ⁓ retinitis pigmentosa. I've never heard of this before, and I bet a lot of my listeners have not either. So.

Michael Leung (12:53)
American? Okay, okay.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Jen (13:19)
why don't you give us a little explanation?

Michael Leung (13:21)
Sure, yeah. I didn't really discover that until last five, six years, but ⁓ it kind of started off with a red-nosed attachment, a very serious one. So I started seeing signs of it. I didn't know what it was. I saw like flashes of blue light kind of coming in my eyes and I kind let it go. A week later, I wake up with a black curtain down my eye, right? And freaked me out and for some reason didn't register me to go to the hospital right away. You know, not very smart. So then my chest started hurting.

And my sister's like, hey, are you having a stroke? Because you can go blind or something, right? So my chest started hurting. And then I went to the hospital. And they're like, good, you don't have a stroke. But your eye, you have a retinal detachment. I'm like, what's that? they're like, basically, your ⁓ retina, it produces the, know, the, the image, right? So now, instead of being flat, it's all wavy. So no explanation. I have a negative nine for my eye. So it's really bad. I'm blind anyways, you know? So they think maybe because of that.

But four months of my life I had to sleep facing down, I couldn't do anything. I had have special equipment just to watch iPad. Because they have to put a bubble up your eye and then have to flatten your retina. So then, yeah, yeah, it was terrible. And they said it was one of the worst retinal detestions they've ever seen. So that's where I actually met a lot of seniors. But after that, one year later, I developed a cataract. Because after major surgery, you get cataracts, right?

Jen (14:34)
my goodness.

Michael Leung (14:50)
So I was only like 35 years old. I cataract surgeries, I retinal detachment. And then I started noticing that I would do really clumsy things. Like really clumsy things, Leap off stairs, like two, three steps, I just fall and then would walk into walls at night and then I would shoulder check people only on this one side. So I would go grocery shopping or go across the street, would just shoulder check people really hard. And I was like, oh, I'm sorry. And then they're like, what's your problem, right? And I didn't really know what's going on.

Jen (14:50)
Yeah.

Michael Leung (15:20)
We go for dinner and then it was really dark and I wouldn't find my way back to the dinner table because it was so dark. I'd be feeling my way in the washroom. I'd be like doing circles. So people are thinking I'm kind of, you know, some things happen with my brain, right? So I went to get checked and they're like, oh, okay, yeah, you got this thing called retinitis pigmentosa You've lost your peripheral. So now it's eating into the center of your vision. So I can't see up, down, left, right. That's why I'm hitting things, running it, know, walking into things, right?

Jen (15:44)
my goodness.

Michael Leung (15:49)
I don't even see my feet, I don't see the steps so I just leap. ⁓ So my ex-girlfriend had to lead me around, had to, you know, had friends lead me to the washroom so I come back. I don't go out anymore because I can't see at night, but I can still drive because I have one good eye, right? It hasn't affected my other eye yet, so Alberta you can still drive with one eye. But, ⁓ so no cure, there is trials and I'm on a list, but... ⁓

Jen (16:09)
Okay.

Michael Leung (16:18)
You need to qualify for it because, so I don't qualify for it right now because they're only looking at people just with retinitis pigmosa only because I've had a retinal detachment and cataract so I don't fall under the criteria, right? Because it's not like the results are gonna be legit, right? So then I'm forced to wait till FDA approves it. So that's gonna take a while.

And hopefully it doesn't get, it can get worse and worse, but it can be 10, 20 years from now. could be the next two days from now. could be 30 years from now where it eats into my central that I can't even see anything anymore. So that's why I'm scared of That's why I travel. That's why I'm doing everything now. That's the other thing. Yeah.

Jen (17:03)
Yeah, yeah.

⁓ how scary. The stress of not knowing. That must be so hard for you. So you're young. You're out in the world. And you're trying to make your life. And you're with these friends, right? And you're giving them money for them to do their own products, that kind of thing.

Michael Leung (17:10)
Yeah.

⁓ yeah, you know, the shareholders they say, like they have this idea and then they just need people to pitch in money to like, you know, create the product or whatever. So back then I just didn't do like, yeah, you got an idea here. You know, it's just like, you don't do the research, you know. So everything I do now, it's like hard, through hard work, everything is like through research, due diligence, like lawyer contracts, everything's like fully done to the max, you know? So I take a lot of pride in that.

that learning on my own and like I didn't have like you know business degree yeah yeah yeah take it take a chance on yourself right but don't take a chance on someone else's idea because you don't know what the heck it even is even if it's a great idea it's still not as satisfying as your own idea

Jen (18:03)
Yeah, that is a that's a life lesson. Yeah. Right.

absolutely. I 100 % agree with that. Yeah, it's hard to make those decisions. So you're now creating your own products. What started that? What gave you the idea for these products?

Michael Leung (18:35)
I was always kind of like an entrepreneur. I always think I real estate, did stocks, right? But my family owns factories in Asia, right? So they were doing electronics and they were pitching me ideas. At first I was like, oh, I want to do some earbuds, but then so many earbuds out there and they're like, it's not, you know, it's not going to really go far. So then I was like, oh, I need to do something that no one's done. Right. And she's like, oh, how about bone conduction headphones? So I looked into it.

plenty of those around too, right? So you can use it for listening to music, talking to phones, streaming, right? So that's what 99.9 % of them do, like shocks and you know. So I was like, oh, yeah.

Jen (19:17)
But

do you explain the bone conducting part of things? I don't know anything about that. I'm not sure if my listeners know anything about it either.

Michael Leung (19:22)
Yeah, sure, sure, yeah, yeah, sure,

sure. So it's an open ear bone conduction headphone, so it looks like this. So oopsie, oopsie, sorry. So looks like this. So you see.

Jen (19:33)
So

it sits above your ear and not inside your ear. Okay.

Michael Leung (19:39)
Exactly, it sits in front of your ears

on your cheekbones. The front part is called a transducer. So it takes the audio data and it converts it through your cheekbones. It amplifies the sounds through your cheekbones. And sound vibration starts passing through your bones and it converts it into electrical signals. And that's when your cochlea and your auditory nerves would transmit it into sound from the electrical signals.

Jen (19:55)
fascinating.

Very cool.

Michael Leung (20:10)
Yeah, so people that have outer, middle, and inner ear issues, it works great. So the sound vibration bypass through damaged parts and to wall, like if there's a wall that's like blocking the sounds, it penetrates through that, right? Because it's sound vibrations, right? And MyProduct's the only product that's out there that has this amplification that I added in. So now it's a special product to aid hearing. So everyone else does everything else, but now My does that.

Plus you can use it to talk to people, engage, socially engage, like a hearing aid, except it looks like a headphone. So there's no stigma to it, right?

Jen (20:48)
That's excellent. I love that. I that's really important. And especially as an old woman who's losing her hearing, I'll have to look into that.

Michael Leung (20:49)
Yeah.

Yeah, you don't have to worry about

losing your hearing aids too, right? Because it costs $8,000 to replace them. So a lot of people are onto their second, third pair and they're like, is there anything out there? This just sits on your ears. You can't worry about losing this. It's waterproof, right? And it's rechargeable batteries. And now I have the special feature that reduces background sounds too. So hearing aids and everything to have that. So now it's like this advanced product that...

you can hear so clearly now with it, right, for so affordable price, right, so.

Jen (21:29)
What gave you the idea to go further with it?

Michael Leung (21:34)
When I saw the demand and the results and how life changing it is, I've seen seniors cry in front of me. They're like, you have no idea I can't wear hearing aids. I get itches. I'm allergic to the silicone. And they're like, we just don't want to spend this kind of money anymore. They're ⁓ eating into our savings or retirement money. They pay enough money to just pay for senior homes. Those are really expensive, $4,000 $5,000, $6,000.

And also I thought of catering to people like my dad. My dad lives in a low income subsidized government, like a senior home. So they only pay like $6, $7, $800 a month. it has everything they have that they need. But most people don't have hearing aids. So I saw a lot of seniors, they don't have hearing aids, they can't afford it. So this would be perfect for them.

So I'm collaborating with different senior homes and we're actually trying to get grants to come in to get free headphones to all these low income people. So they actually have something to use now, right? Because hearing is so important, right? ⁓ So that's, yeah, just making an impact I saw for children, autistic children. They're learning easier. War veterans, can hear, they blew out their eardrums and now they can hear with this. ⁓ Factory workers, all of all sorts, blind athletes, now they can use it to navigate.

Just something so simple and you just put it on your head and all of it can help change your life, right? So it's huge.

Jen (23:06)
Wow, that's an incredible product. I'm amazed that it can do so much for people who wouldn't have the ability to do that. Regular headphones, if you want to get a pair of Apple AirPods plus, whatever they are, they're like $250. It's a lot of money out there to get something that can help you and to know that there's a product that really works well.

Michael Leung (23:08)
Yeah.

Yep.

Jen (23:35)
for ⁓ all of these communities is great. It's beautiful.

Michael Leung (23:41)
Yeah, it is.

Jen (23:44)
Yeah, so what is the, you said you had another product that you were working on. What is that?

Michael Leung (23:48)
No, that is the product. I do have another product that is a Bluetooth transceiver. So I noticed a lot of seniors were blasting their TV at 60, 70, and they get noise complaints, right? yeah, right? Or family members are like, oh man, my mom's just blasting the TV. combined with the headphones, I have this transceiver because I noticed a lot of TVs.

Jen (23:51)
that's it. okay.

That's my mom.

Michael Leung (24:17)
they're not compatible with headphones like this, right? Only for Sony and Bose because they're super advanced, right? So TVs will recognize that. But for particular bone conduction headphones, it wouldn't work directly with your TV. So you need this transceiver. And once you put the transceiver in and you pair it with the headphone, the senior can watch TV cinematically at ⁓ mute. You can mute the TV and all the sounds go directly to the headphone.

and they sit there, no one always complains and they watch it in peace and quiet. they love it, they watch it and can answer their phone, they can do everything all simultaneously, right? And it's easy to use, it's only like a couple buttons, right? Very senior friendly too.

Jen (25:00)
that's great. What made you focus on the senior community?

Michael Leung (25:05)
One of my good friends is the director of senior care. she, I pitched her the idea before I even kind of did this and she's like, this is great. Like we really need something like this. You can come in, start doing presentations. And then from there, it just went from like two, three, to like 20, 30 different senior homes and different cities. then, and then that's what I thought, you know, this could go, you know, national or global one day. you know, hence that's why I'm a audition for Dragon's Den next year, which is what I'm planning to do. So.

together with all the products and the demand and the social impact, I think the pitch will go relatively well with them because they can see how much this can change people's lives for very affordable cost too.

Jen (25:52)
That's so great. Tell me about Legacy Makers. What's that all about? I've never heard of it.

Michael Leung (25:57)
Yeah, so it has a lot of different celebrities on it. They're actually the Shark Tank hosts. Some of them got together and they're producing these shows, basically they interviewed like 12,000 applicants worldwide and only about 500 people got chosen. So it's like 1 % club, right?

They want to find impactful stories, people that have a great story to tell that went through struggles. So it's like a little mini Netflix documentary per person. So you go on the show and you have to download Inside App and it's going to be streamed on all the major platforms. But we can't say the names yet till they say it's okay because of legalities. But they can say that it's going to be on all the platforms.

Jen (26:42)
Mmm.

Michael Leung (26:50)
and it's gonna reach, you know, if people, it's gonna reach like, I think 100, 200 million people, because it's that many streaming platforms that's gonna be involved, right? And it's got on like all these big, big magazines, like Billboard magazine, Rolling Stones has been promoted on that. lot of big celebrities on it featured first, they're gonna be featured first, and then they're gonna introduce us after, which is great, because they're gonna help drive up the viewers to watch the show.

So yeah, basically it's like people all over world from bestselling authors to someone like me, an innovator. You got women in power, you got so many different categories, Social impact, so all these categories, different seasons, they just keep rolling in and just talk about different people and their different stories, right? So mine is just kind of like this. It talks about my childhood, life, struggles, all the way to my product and company and stuff, so yeah.

Jen (27:46)
Ooh,

Michael Leung (27:47)
was really fun, it was fun to

Jen (27:47)
fascinating.

Michael Leung (27:48)
do, yeah it fun, I felt like a celebrity doing it, know, they had all the crazy lights, you know, they treat you like a celebrity, you a red carpet coming out soon, yeah, it's nice, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Jen (27:51)
Bye.

how exciting. I can't wait to see

it. Yeah, you'll have to let me know so I can put that out everywhere because I can't wait to see it. That's one's great. And then you also said you were going into the Dragon's Den. What is the Dragon's Den?

Michael Leung (28:02)
100 %

Yeah, yeah, for sure will. I know.

Oh, you know what an Internet of Dragons is? It's one of the most popular shows globally for people that want to pitch their product in front of these dragons that have their investors, where they have money to invest into your company. So you tell them, you get an X percentage of my company and then you ask for a certain amount of money, you pitch every single category, all the aspects from financials to the impact to...

Jen (28:14)
No!

Michael Leung (28:42)
like pretty much everything right and they'll say yes or no and you'll get some you tv time and it's so every country has their own kind of dragon's den they might name it differently but dragon's den is just pretty much like shark tank but a different version yeah

Jen (28:58)
and that'll be ⁓ out in any platform too or?

Michael Leung (29:02)
That

one's on cable TV, think. That one's just on ordinary TV. Yeah, yeah. That show's on all the time, so yeah.

Jen (29:13)
So what about your life circumstances, your origin story? What do you think led you to becoming an entrepreneur?

Michael Leung (29:24)
⁓ I think I've always been like a risk taker like this I did real estate, I like stocks. I think I just like learning new things and I have ADHD like severely severe ADHD you know I'm taking meds for it but it can be a superpower you know like it's helped me when you really care about something you really like something ADHD is great because it focuses it really makes you zone into that one thing you really like. ⁓

Jen (29:53)
Yes, my son

has ADHD and I see the hyper focus.

Michael Leung (29:55)
Alright, yeah, hyper tent, hyper focus,

yeah, yeah. So we learn differently, I don't learn by reading. I can't read a book. I read one paragraph, I just read it over and over again. It's just, I'm not interested in it, you know, but I visually, I learn visually, right? But back to your question, like being, I think being an entrepreneur, like working for people back then, like I worked at a hotel. I put so much time into it, I was a bellman, busboy.

hotel management, right? And then I had scholarships and my manager gave the job to someone, his best friend, who had no experience. And I was torn. I was just like, you know, I felt discrimination for the first time at a workplace, right? Because I worked my butt off from a dishwasher to, you know, weighing tables to parking cars.

to front desk everything. did everything I needed to become a manager and they gave it to someone else that had no experience. So I felt cheated, betrayed, and I was like I'm not working for anyone anymore. I want to just be my own, you know. That's it, that's it. I walked out and then I found my way through and I found my way out and I've never worked for anyone ever since. So yeah.

Jen (31:03)
That's it. No more.

As an entrepreneur myself, I honestly feel like it is in your bones. Like you have this feeling of, need to do this on my own. I need to be my own system, my own financial system, support system. know, just have all of that in our own control. Do you think it has a lot to do with like control issues?

Michael Leung (31:40)
Yeah, yeah, I think so. Yeah, for me it's like my little baby now, you know, I put too much on my plate. That's why people are worried about me. I don't sleep very much. Like I need to regulate my life because I finally had social media. I had to hire a social media team because, you know, it's like for me to do everything is just overwhelming, right? I had burnt out, I burnt out a couple of times and I got sick from it.

And, but overall it's like the feeling of like, it's like chase, it's almost like chasing the like the successes. I was like, I've seen the success. It's like, it hasn't, it hasn't, I haven't like even touched, ⁓ you know, the surface of it. It's, I see the impact of it and it just keeps growing. It just makes me so excited, but I just know I need to prioritize things better and things could be more effective, right? But it's definitely like having your own thing and seeing it.

change lives and seeing it grow and seeing the magnitude of it really makes me excited. Like nothing ever before, know, it's almost like it's just, it's like passion, dedication. Like I've never had this kind of feeling.

Jen (32:50)
Yeah, I think you have it right on the impact thing. With my product, I have a pull apart monster doll that I use. It's like a therapy doll for kids. And I created it for myself. I created the first one after from my frustrations with my PTSD symptoms. And when I realized that that could help me and I wanted to share it with the world, it really was so fulfilling.

Michael Leung (32:59)
Yeah. Yeah.

haha

Jen (33:18)
to see the impact of how something that I created and dreamed up could be so supportive to others.

Michael Leung (33:27)
Exactly. And even your podcast now, it's actually helping a lot people too. Yeah, it is.

Jen (33:32)
Yeah. And the

whole thing of putting too much on your plate. That's, that's part of my thing too. Of course I have, of course I have a company. Of course I have a pod, ⁓ but you know, you love what you do.

Michael Leung (33:39)
Yeah, but

you gotta stay busy sometimes too. For me if I don't stay busy that's when I start thinking of things, know, maybe the PTSD stuff or like whatever. You have to channel yourself through the good things, right? So move forward, So yeah.

Jen (33:54)
Yeah.

Yeah, I am that person. My therapist is always saying, so what did you do to relax? And ⁓ there was no relaxing. I was on the computer all day doing, not my moody monster, was doing not yet to right now. So it takes you out, right? It takes you out of the uncomfortable moments in life. And it's not exactly healthy, right? Because we do have to learn to sit with our emotions. It's hard, right?

Michael Leung (34:05)
Mwahaha!

Jen (34:26)
Nobody wants to feel sadness or feel triggered or fear or anything like that. ⁓ But yeah, I think it is hard, especially for entrepreneurs, to step back and recognize mental health for ourselves. thank you so much, Michael, for sharing your story. You're doing a great job.

Michael Leung (34:42)
Yeah, I think so. That's part that's great.

Jen (34:53)
You're helping so many people out in this world, and I can't wait to see more. Can you tell us where we can find your product, where we can find you?

Michael Leung (34:58)
Thank you.

Yeah, so my website's www.theinnerflow.com. So I N N E R F L O dot com, right? So from there you can find, you know, like the content, can find online shopping, testimonies, ⁓ technology, like everything's on there. ⁓ Soon I'm going to put up blogs, know, announcements, know, even podcasts, attach it to their partnerships, everything. ⁓

September we're gonna have the launch so by then I'm hoping I can open up many countries to be able to access it to be able to fulfill the orders and stuff right so Step-by-step is doing really it's kind of moving in the right direction ⁓ The dragon's den like I said that's next March. I'm gonna audition for it, and I'm pretty confident about it So if I make it then I'm gonna announce it you know people can watch

stay with the legacy makers. I'll be posting these things on my website, on the theaterflow.com. So, yeah.

Jen (36:05)
Okay, and I will share that on the show notes and through social media so everyone can take a look at Michael's work and what he's doing to help ⁓ people who need help with their hearing and seniors especially. I have to look at it for my mother, absolutely.

Michael Leung (36:24)
Sounds good.

Yeah, I think she will definitely see improvements for sure. Thanks Jennifer. Thank you. Pleasure. Thank you. Thank you so much.

Jen (36:28)
That's great. Thank you so much, Michael. It was great having you on the show.

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